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	<title>Comments on: You be the Judge, Part II: How do I Tell if it&#8217;s Good?</title>
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		<title>By: Rosemary</title>
		<link>http://swirlingnotions.com/2008/05/06/you-be-the-judge-part-ii-how-do-i-tell-if-its-good/#comment-2241</link>
		<dc:creator>Rosemary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 22:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see why you'd want to do this often/regularly.  The tasting was pretty straightforward, I looked through the nice sliiightly greened yellow, wished I had 2 hues to compare.  (Next time, two wines.)
Swirling the glass coated it, but not...creamlike or syrupy or leggish--(do they have a wine edition of Roget's haha?)
When I smelled it, I immediately thought "flowers" but I think I meant "green growing things" as opposed to ripe things or even ripening things.  It also smelled like...Wine... (sorry!)   
But oh dear the sip--I sloshed it all around all at once-- altogether too resinous!  Why are we introducing a LOT of liquid to the part of our mouth that detects bitter?  In normal drinking, maybe the tannin would not be detected so much, so the wine would SEEM balanced?  Anyway, after that initial shock (I'm sure you know Retsina!) I went back to just sipping.  I was eating seasoned Ry-Krisp with cottage cheese and black pepper at the time, for a snack.  The cottage cheese was not right, but I'm not sure why or with what to replace it.  I don't feel crazy in love with the Fetzer NOR adverse to buying it again, maybe to use in another experiment with TWO Chardonnays.  Or will Chardonnays ALL taste a little too green to me if I am sensitive to the tannin? 
The End :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see why you&#8217;d want to do this often/regularly.  The tasting was pretty straightforward, I looked through the nice sliiightly greened yellow, wished I had 2 hues to compare.  (Next time, two wines.)<br />
Swirling the glass coated it, but not&#8230;creamlike or syrupy or leggish&#8211;(do they have a wine edition of Roget&#8217;s haha?)<br />
When I smelled it, I immediately thought &#8220;flowers&#8221; but I think I meant &#8220;green growing things&#8221; as opposed to ripe things or even ripening things.  It also smelled like&#8230;Wine&#8230; (sorry!)<br />
But oh dear the sip&#8211;I sloshed it all around all at once&#8211; altogether too resinous!  Why are we introducing a LOT of liquid to the part of our mouth that detects bitter?  In normal drinking, maybe the tannin would not be detected so much, so the wine would SEEM balanced?  Anyway, after that initial shock (I&#8217;m sure you know Retsina!) I went back to just sipping.  I was eating seasoned Ry-Krisp with cottage cheese and black pepper at the time, for a snack.  The cottage cheese was not right, but I&#8217;m not sure why or with what to replace it.  I don&#8217;t feel crazy in love with the Fetzer NOR adverse to buying it again, maybe to use in another experiment with TWO Chardonnays.  Or will Chardonnays ALL taste a little too green to me if I am sensitive to the tannin?<br />
The End <img src='http://swirlingnotions.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: swirlingnotions</title>
		<link>http://swirlingnotions.com/2008/05/06/you-be-the-judge-part-ii-how-do-i-tell-if-its-good/#comment-2236</link>
		<dc:creator>swirlingnotions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 22:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rosemary . . . I'm so curious how the Fetzer fared! We just had a "we have to get control of our wine spending" talk, so us Hubers are on the budget bandwagon too. 

As for your question--a good one, I might add--other fruits can indeed be fermented into their own "wine" of sorts. You may have had "hard" apple cider at some point, and that's exactly what's gone on. I suspect, though, that grapes have some special alchemy to them that makes them especially fermentation-friendly. I've posed the question to Erik, so I'll update wiht more when I hear back from him.

Courtney . . . Glad to hear we share the same approach!

Katie . . . OK, now YOU're making me want to go to Spain! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rosemary . . . I&#8217;m so curious how the Fetzer fared! We just had a &#8220;we have to get control of our wine spending&#8221; talk, so us Hubers are on the budget bandwagon too. </p>
<p>As for your question&#8211;a good one, I might add&#8211;other fruits can indeed be fermented into their own &#8220;wine&#8221; of sorts. You may have had &#8220;hard&#8221; apple cider at some point, and that&#8217;s exactly what&#8217;s gone on. I suspect, though, that grapes have some special alchemy to them that makes them especially fermentation-friendly. I&#8217;ve posed the question to Erik, so I&#8217;ll update wiht more when I hear back from him.</p>
<p>Courtney . . . Glad to hear we share the same approach!</p>
<p>Katie . . . OK, now YOU&#8217;re making me want to go to Spain! <img src='http://swirlingnotions.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: katie</title>
		<link>http://swirlingnotions.com/2008/05/06/you-be-the-judge-part-ii-how-do-i-tell-if-its-good/#comment-2235</link>
		<dc:creator>katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 19:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, now you make me want to drive to Spain to get some Rosados....
For me, summer just cries for the Rosados from Somotamo... esp. Enate.
They make me happy...sunsets, warm weather, lazy lunches...sigh.
Well, that's what a photo does for me - you can imagine if I actually get a whiff!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, now you make me want to drive to Spain to get some Rosados&#8230;.<br />
For me, summer just cries for the Rosados from Somotamo&#8230; esp. Enate.<br />
They make me happy&#8230;sunsets, warm weather, lazy lunches&#8230;sigh.<br />
Well, that&#8217;s what a photo does for me - you can imagine if I actually get a whiff!</p>
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		<title>By: Courtney Cochran</title>
		<link>http://swirlingnotions.com/2008/05/06/you-be-the-judge-part-ii-how-do-i-tell-if-its-good/#comment-2230</link>
		<dc:creator>Courtney Cochran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 22:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa,

I really enjoyed your post.  When I teach wine classes (through my SF based business, HIP TASTES Events), I also like to encourage folks to "think outside the box" and allow themselves to be transported by a wine's fabulous - and seemingly endless - collection of scents.  This is when wine moves from being simply something you knock back during a meal to a real journey in and of itself - and that journey is different for every taster, which is so cool.  

To Steve from Winescorecard - this is absolutely worth encouraging people to do.  As with anything, a little practice when it comes to wine tasting can go a long way towards enhancing your enjoyment of it.  Just because most people won't follow Lisa's advice doesn't mean she shouldn't take the time to encourage those who will.  The few who follow will reap the rewards.

Courtney</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa,</p>
<p>I really enjoyed your post.  When I teach wine classes (through my SF based business, HIP TASTES Events), I also like to encourage folks to &#8220;think outside the box&#8221; and allow themselves to be transported by a wine&#8217;s fabulous - and seemingly endless - collection of scents.  This is when wine moves from being simply something you knock back during a meal to a real journey in and of itself - and that journey is different for every taster, which is so cool.  </p>
<p>To Steve from Winescorecard - this is absolutely worth encouraging people to do.  As with anything, a little practice when it comes to wine tasting can go a long way towards enhancing your enjoyment of it.  Just because most people won&#8217;t follow Lisa&#8217;s advice doesn&#8217;t mean she shouldn&#8217;t take the time to encourage those who will.  The few who follow will reap the rewards.</p>
<p>Courtney</p>
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		<title>By: Rosemary</title>
		<link>http://swirlingnotions.com/2008/05/06/you-be-the-judge-part-ii-how-do-i-tell-if-its-good/#comment-2229</link>
		<dc:creator>Rosemary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 19:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, ready to s/s/s/s-- but which wine?   Oh, wait--that's what we're HERE for..     
  Sorry to mention, but buying a bottle of wine easily doubles the price of dinner (at least in *my* house) so I chose a very modestly priced one!  The label says
 "2006, FETZER Vineyards, Valley Oaks, CHARDONNAY, California".  It has a little icon saying the winery has won awards.  (See, already I've cheated...don't ask, don't tell!)  I'll drink it thoughtfully, using all the above strategies.   

Is there a reason that grape juice is the juice usually made into wine?  Would apple/berry juice take on nuances and flavors if treated like wine grapes?   Is it just the way it happened, or are grapes particularly suited?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, ready to s/s/s/s&#8211; but which wine?   Oh, wait&#8211;that&#8217;s what we&#8217;re HERE for..<br />
  Sorry to mention, but buying a bottle of wine easily doubles the price of dinner (at least in *my* house) so I chose a very modestly priced one!  The label says<br />
 &#8220;2006, FETZER Vineyards, Valley Oaks, CHARDONNAY, California&#8221;.  It has a little icon saying the winery has won awards.  (See, already I&#8217;ve cheated&#8230;don&#8217;t ask, don&#8217;t tell!)  I&#8217;ll drink it thoughtfully, using all the above strategies.   </p>
<p>Is there a reason that grape juice is the juice usually made into wine?  Would apple/berry juice take on nuances and flavors if treated like wine grapes?   Is it just the way it happened, or are grapes particularly suited?</p>
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		<title>By: swirlingnotions</title>
		<link>http://swirlingnotions.com/2008/05/06/you-be-the-judge-part-ii-how-do-i-tell-if-its-good/#comment-2227</link>
		<dc:creator>swirlingnotions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 23:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve . . . I can't tell you how great that makes me feel that I was able to help you become more confident in sharing your opinions about wine (I remember that night :-))! I hope this post helps others to do the same. Thanks for sharing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve . . . I can&#8217;t tell you how great that makes me feel that I was able to help you become more confident in sharing your opinions about wine (I remember that night :-))! I hope this post helps others to do the same. Thanks for sharing!</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://swirlingnotions.com/2008/05/06/you-be-the-judge-part-ii-how-do-i-tell-if-its-good/#comment-2219</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 22:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your last two posts have brought me back to an experience with you and Chris in our dining room a few years ago.

To Steve's point (Winescorecard), it was difficult for me, as a real novice, to describe a wine or to judge its quality.  I wasn't even completed sure that I could tell if a bottle was corked or not...

Since I generally determined a wine's quality based on its price, you encouraged me to open several bottles of red wine from varying price points. After pouring several samples into glasses, you had Julie and I taste each wine, close our eyes, and say whatever came to mind regarding what we were experiencing.

As I remember, two of the tastes I blurted out were "wet cardboard" and "basement."  Your eyes lit up and you said, "Yes!  You've got it!" My point is that just because the rule book says "earthy" or "musty," doesn't mean that one's own unique (and perhaps singular) interpretation is flawed.

I've been a lot more confident in my evaluation and description of wine since then.  You're a gem!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your last two posts have brought me back to an experience with you and Chris in our dining room a few years ago.</p>
<p>To Steve&#8217;s point (Winescorecard), it was difficult for me, as a real novice, to describe a wine or to judge its quality.  I wasn&#8217;t even completed sure that I could tell if a bottle was corked or not&#8230;</p>
<p>Since I generally determined a wine&#8217;s quality based on its price, you encouraged me to open several bottles of red wine from varying price points. After pouring several samples into glasses, you had Julie and I taste each wine, close our eyes, and say whatever came to mind regarding what we were experiencing.</p>
<p>As I remember, two of the tastes I blurted out were &#8220;wet cardboard&#8221; and &#8220;basement.&#8221;  Your eyes lit up and you said, &#8220;Yes!  You&#8217;ve got it!&#8221; My point is that just because the rule book says &#8220;earthy&#8221; or &#8220;musty,&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean that one&#8217;s own unique (and perhaps singular) interpretation is flawed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been a lot more confident in my evaluation and description of wine since then.  You&#8217;re a gem!</p>
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		<title>By: swirlingnotions</title>
		<link>http://swirlingnotions.com/2008/05/06/you-be-the-judge-part-ii-how-do-i-tell-if-its-good/#comment-2217</link>
		<dc:creator>swirlingnotions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 22:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dana . . . Great post--thanks for the link. I love that man.

Steve . . . I can't argue with you on that one. Nor can I necessarily fault people for not taking the time to evaluate each wine they drink. I'll admit that most of the time, I just like to sip and focus more on what's going on around me (food, conversation, scenery) than on the wine itself--which makes me an anomoly here in my neck of the woods . . . in fact, don't tell anyone (especially my husband) or I'll be shunned. So I guess I see these as guidelines to help people when and where they want to focus in closer on the wine they're drinking. Not to make them feel like they have to or "should." Thanks for helping me see the distinction!

Christie . . . I'm so glad you're enjoying! I myself am enjoying yours . . . ah, nothing like mutual admiration ;-).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dana . . . Great post&#8211;thanks for the link. I love that man.</p>
<p>Steve . . . I can&#8217;t argue with you on that one. Nor can I necessarily fault people for not taking the time to evaluate each wine they drink. I&#8217;ll admit that most of the time, I just like to sip and focus more on what&#8217;s going on around me (food, conversation, scenery) than on the wine itself&#8211;which makes me an anomoly here in my neck of the woods . . . in fact, don&#8217;t tell anyone (especially my husband) or I&#8217;ll be shunned. So I guess I see these as guidelines to help people when and where they want to focus in closer on the wine they&#8217;re drinking. Not to make them feel like they have to or &#8220;should.&#8221; Thanks for helping me see the distinction!</p>
<p>Christie . . . I&#8217;m so glad you&#8217;re enjoying! I myself am enjoying yours . . . ah, nothing like mutual admiration ;-).</p>
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		<title>By: Christie</title>
		<link>http://swirlingnotions.com/2008/05/06/you-be-the-judge-part-ii-how-do-i-tell-if-its-good/#comment-2213</link>
		<dc:creator>Christie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 03:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've only just started reading wine blogs and this is by far the best one I've come across!

See you again soon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve only just started reading wine blogs and this is by far the best one I&#8217;ve come across!</p>
<p>See you again soon!</p>
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		<title>By: Winescorecard</title>
		<link>http://swirlingnotions.com/2008/05/06/you-be-the-judge-part-ii-how-do-i-tell-if-its-good/#comment-2212</link>
		<dc:creator>Winescorecard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 02:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good advice, as always.

Do you think the average consumer will really follow such guidelines though?  I don't know... most of the time, I think people just drink the wine.  The perception that they like it needs to leap out at them from that.  Maybe that is why the big, fruity, wines are in fashion - the lack of subtlety.  They hit your palate even with a simple drink, no swishing etc.

- steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good advice, as always.</p>
<p>Do you think the average consumer will really follow such guidelines though?  I don&#8217;t know&#8230; most of the time, I think people just drink the wine.  The perception that they like it needs to leap out at them from that.  Maybe that is why the big, fruity, wines are in fashion - the lack of subtlety.  They hit your palate even with a simple drink, no swishing etc.</p>
<p>- steve</p>
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